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Educational Organizations funding/affiliation
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Victor Villas Bôas Chaves
2018-09-12 18:23:19 UTC
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Hi there!

I'm planning to do a mass import of the Brazilian database of Higher Education Institutions (2011 census) to Wikidata, updating existing institutions and add the missing ones. (I could use some help :)

One of the issues I foresee is the distinction between private and public educational institutions is done via subclassing instead of properties. There's a university subclass public university that I can use, but how should I indicate that the institution is maintained with federal, state or city funds?

Should I put the country in affiliation in the former and the state in affiliation in the latter? Should I propose a new property?

Or even better and hopefully the case, is there an even more specific property that I can use for this?

Also, how to indicate that some are non-profit and some are for-profit?

Thanks,
Victor
Tobias Zeumer
2018-09-13 17:15:55 UTC
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Hi everyone,

I recently needed the same distinction for german universities. I used
these three qualifiers as "instance of" for the institutions, primarily
because they were already predominantly set for existing universities:

Q875538 (public university); "university that is predominantly funded by
public means"; http://tinyurl.com/yapa6owx
Q1743327 (church college); roughly translated the german description
says "university in church sponsorship"; http://tinyurl.com/ycy8rpjf
Q23002042 (private educational institution) "educational institution not
primarily funded by public means"; http://tinyurl.com/yc6gn3zt

The last is not exactly the best match, but at least it's a subclass of
educational institution like the others. But since it was my first try
with Wikidata I'm by no means sure I decided for the best ones. So, I'd
be interested in the answers too :)

@Victor: Regarding the funding maybe P749 "parent organization" could be
used - at least I think it is (sometimes) used this way too...

Best regards,
Tobias
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Hi there!
I'm planning to do a mass import of the Brazilian database of Higher Education Institutions (2011 census) to Wikidata, updating existing institutions and add the missing ones. (I could use some help :)
One of the issues I foresee is the distinction between private and public educational institutions is done via subclassing instead of properties. There's a university subclass public university that I can use, but how should I indicate that the institution is maintained with federal, state or city funds?
Should I put the country in affiliation in the former and the state in affiliation in the latter? Should I propose a new property?
Or even better and hopefully the case, is there an even more specific property that I can use for this?
Also, how to indicate that some are non-profit and some are for-profit?
Thanks,
Victor
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Andrew Gray
2018-09-13 17:28:59 UTC
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Hi both,

"Private university" might be worthwhile as a subclass for Q23002042
(and as a subclass of university as well) - feel free to create new
taxonomy elements and slot them into place if it would be appropriate
:-)

P749 implies to me that it's actually part of the parent in some
organisational way - so eg a department or faculty would be P749 of
the university, but the university wouldn't be P749 of the funding
body - this would only be used for things like the various bits of the
University of California.

For the funding question, we have P2770 ("source of income") which
might work here. You could link to the items for the national/state
funding bodies as appropriate.

Andrew.
Post by Tobias Zeumer
Hi everyone,
Q875538 (public university); "university that is predominantly funded by public means"; http://tinyurl.com/yapa6owx
Q1743327 (church college); roughly translated the german description says "university in church sponsorship"; http://tinyurl.com/ycy8rpjf
Q23002042 (private educational institution) "educational institution not primarily funded by public means"; http://tinyurl.com/yc6gn3zt
The last is not exactly the best match, but at least it's a subclass of educational institution like the others. But since it was my first try with Wikidata I'm by no means sure I decided for the best ones. So, I'd be interested in the answers too :)
@Victor: Regarding the funding maybe P749 "parent organization" could be used - at least I think it is (sometimes) used this way too...
Best regards,
Tobias
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Hi there!
I'm planning to do a mass import of the Brazilian database of Higher Education Institutions (2011 census) to Wikidata, updating existing institutions and add the missing ones. (I could use some help :)
One of the issues I foresee is the distinction between private and public educational institutions is done via subclassing instead of properties. There's a university subclass public university that I can use, but how should I indicate that the institution is maintained with federal, state or city funds?
Should I put the country in affiliation in the former and the state in affiliation in the latter? Should I propose a new property?
Or even better and hopefully the case, is there an even more specific property that I can use for this?
Also, how to indicate that some are non-profit and some are for-profit?
Thanks,
Victor
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Victor Villas Bôas Chaves
2018-09-13 21:33:57 UTC
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Hi all,

Thank you for inputs, I think I might be close to the a final structure.

I don't want to use the private university and public university classes as it will make my life a bit harder. Many of the institutions I will be importing are NOT universities per se, so for those I'll just mark as higher education institution, and thus would need to mark them as as private/public in some other way.

So I think I'll be using:

* university(Q3918) or higher education institution(Q38723) depending if the institution qualifies for the title of university
* public educational institution(Q23002037) / private educational institution(Q23002042) depending on the primary source of funding
* private not-for-profit educational institution(Q23002054) if the institution is a nonprofit
* source of income (P2770) linking to... what? The administrative territory? e.g. The actual country for federal funding or the state for state funding and so on? Seems a bit off the initial intent of the property, but I could go with that.

I guess I could just use the private not-for-profit educational institution instead of the more general private educational institution when it applies, but I'd rather not. As a user or Wikidata myself, I've found easier to quickly understand items (and queries) that had more superclasses than a single super-specific superclass. I was considering using the more general nonprofit organization instead of private not-for-profit, but that may be too far. Perhaps it would read more comfortably if the property label was only not-for-profit educational institution, since being private is a given.

Let me know what you people think

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 2:29 PM Andrew Gray <***@generalist.org.uk<mailto:***@generalist.org.uk>> wrote:
Hi both,

"Private university" might be worthwhile as a subclass for Q23002042
(and as a subclass of university as well) - feel free to create new
taxonomy elements and slot them into place if it would be appropriate
:-)

P749 implies to me that it's actually part of the parent in some
organisational way - so eg a department or faculty would be P749 of
the university, but the university wouldn't be P749 of the funding
body - this would only be used for things like the various bits of the
University of California.

For the funding question, we have P2770 ("source of income") which
might work here. You could link to the items for the national/state
funding bodies as appropriate.

Andrew.
Post by Tobias Zeumer
Hi everyone,
Q875538 (public university); "university that is predominantly funded by public means"; https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftinyurl.com%2Fyapa6owx&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C0bb027d409b34a67cc4108d6199e8396%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636724565927757871&amp;sdata=bvfFWnAwCLNdtVaJaw9y%2BYh3j9WuUZfvk6pttRdjzIg%3D&amp;reserved=0
Q1743327 (church college); roughly translated the german description says "university in church sponsorship"; https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftinyurl.com%2Fycy8rpjf&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C0bb027d409b34a67cc4108d6199e8396%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636724565927757871&amp;sdata=WljsAFRzE%2BsabBMrjWwe%2FJdEL7349JnrvWBhCVoBgmw%3D&amp;reserved=0
Q23002042 (private educational institution) "educational institution not primarily funded by public means"; https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftinyurl.com%2Fyc6gn3zt&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C0bb027d409b34a67cc4108d6199e8396%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636724565927757871&amp;sdata=y7sdUYTfHQaDIuwx1VD5xgUYtYZUHTDCKka%2BkpMZmMg%3D&amp;reserved=0
The last is not exactly the best match, but at least it's a subclass of educational institution like the others. But since it was my first try with Wikidata I'm by no means sure I decided for the best ones. So, I'd be interested in the answers too :)
@Victor: Regarding the funding maybe P749 "parent organization" could be used - at least I think it is (sometimes) used this way too...
Best regards,
Tobias
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Hi there!
I'm planning to do a mass import of the Brazilian database of Higher Education Institutions (2011 census) to Wikidata, updating existing institutions and add the missing ones. (I could use some help :)
One of the issues I foresee is the distinction between private and public educational institutions is done via subclassing instead of properties. There's a university subclass public university that I can use, but how should I indicate that the institution is maintained with federal, state or city funds?
Should I put the country in affiliation in the former and the state in affiliation in the latter? Should I propose a new property?
Or even better and hopefully the case, is there an even more specific property that I can use for this?
Also, how to indicate that some are non-profit and some are for-profit?
Thanks,
Victor
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